Speaker 1: 0:02

Minus 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, main engine start 4, 3, 2, 1. I'm Sean and I'm Charlie and this is Higher Orbit. I'm still waiting for the kickback or the throwback on the old one. But honestly, I haven't listened to the old ones in a while. I don't even remember what it sounds like. You don't remember what the old song sounds like. I like them both. They both have different qualities that I enjoy, but I hear what you mean. Thought you were going to mix it up on me. Maybe we can mix it up at some point. That would be like a remix. Yeah, something like that. We're at the back of the shop, something a little different today, I guess the middle of the day, kind of phantom and delivery day and happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1: 0:48

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. I hope you had a good time with your families. Charlie and I were working yesterday and we bonded by selling lots of drugs together, as we do.

Speaker 2: 0:56

Yeah, that's our family time, so we hope that everybody else has some good time with their families.

Speaker 1: 1:00

And, yeah, happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, speaking with their families. And yeah, happy thanksgiving. Yeah, um, speaking of, I guess, just in a timely matter. Um, well, what's been going on. You got a few things you wanted to talk about. Uh, yeah, I guess first I'm going to show it in all the farms. That was something I was really excited about coming into the store today. Uh, we got their drip station. Uh, legacy another great legacy brand, and we really love those guys and really excited to have their flower coming in today. So I'm looking forward to opening that bag. And, uh, it looks like they kind of did like a rebrand on their logo, but they went like black with the gray kind of silver. It looks cool. It looks like raiders colors. I'm into it oh, okay, cool I haven't seen the bag yet.

Speaker 1: 1:36

That'll be interesting to try um. So you know, I just like to see the market develop and more people feeling more comfortable and making their move right. Hopefully it's worth it for people. I mean, yeah, it's great to see more legacy brands come.

Speaker 2: 1:52

And just the quality of products getting better Like we were talking about the Gary Satan.

Speaker 1: 1:55

I know that we have the 67 Cents Gas Face coming in and then that pre-roll pack. That was like a blank. I think it was our biggest, wasn't it?

Speaker 2: 2:03

our biggest flow-through order today For those of you, they don't know a flow-through order is.

Speaker 1: 2:06

It's like our. It's like our ability to make ourselves different basically and diversify, because a lot of products are there, more limited, that you can order. It takes a little longer to get smaller producers. You get them directly. They're not. It's more like drop airdrop to you I guess is the best way to say in comparison to a system of.

Speaker 2: 2:26

They're changing it. Yeah, I kind of like, instead of it going to the.

Speaker 1: 2:28

OCS and sitting in their warehouse For a long period of time. It kind of gets pre-ordered, sits in their warehouse briefly and then comes right to us. It's also just yeah, smaller batch, fresher, better system limited just sickly better yeah, but it does. If they kept. Yeah, it's supposed to be logistically better. Yeah, but it does. Yeah, it gives smaller shops like ours a bit of an edge, right when we generally don't have an edge.

Speaker 1: 2:50

Yeah, the menu's going to be fire, so don't forget to go to CosmicCharlieca and order some delivery. We're on Uber Eats too. Yeah, I did notice I've been talking to a lot of LPs lately. It's interesting that it's kind of become more a seller's market. It gets harder. I've noticed there's some price increasing happening on a lot of products there. They're not growing it in there. The brand is kind of buying B2B cannabis, right. I've heard that that's kind of changed a lot and I think a lot of it's leaving the country too. Yeah Right, Charlie, yeah, yeah. Well, that's an interesting thing. I think it's probably a fine balance for them. But I think they're getting a little bit of a better dollar maybe in like Australia.

Speaker 2: 3:28

Germany, Germany right.

Speaker 1: 3:29

I heard prices are pretty high in Germany. Like, a lot are really Australia, germany, those are the hot markets. A lot of this higher quality weed that's grown in Canada is going because we're not willing to pay for it, which really sucks. It's really funny, we it, which really sucks, but it's really funny. We are such sticklers. I don't know why, like it's so funny, like, oh, it's still such a huge downward pressure on price for cannabis.

Speaker 2: 3:48

It is and.

Speaker 1: 3:49

Americans are always blown away, like. We see a lot more tourists and Americans, I would say probably than the average shopping on queen street and they just like. They're always blown away. They're like what's the best. They're like what? How much they're like they. They're how much they're like they. They're all. We can't believe it.

Speaker 2: 4:04

They're like you don't have anything that costs like I guess there's that person they want to spend and they want the the best right the top shelf.

Speaker 1: 4:09

But um, that's just a funny perceived thing. Yeah, I think honestly we're so lucky. Like you know, sometimes I ask myself that is it the best time to be a smoker like ever right now? I don't know. Well, I guess so it's. It's very accessible, yeah super accessible.

Speaker 1: 4:26

There's such a breadth of products, like you can find, yeah, whatever you want. You can find whatever you want. It's a little bit easier to find the specific Product that you want. I would say, and, and he's easier access more access than ever, right, yeah, and the prices are cheaper than ever. So probably it's a good time to be alive and be a consumer. I would say, yeah, I always think about that question, about just like, even what 10 years ago the difference of being like, fuck, I forgot to grab weed and then it's like it's a whole thing. But anyways, we've talked about that many times. Yeah, no, it's interesting to see the landscape change. I mean, I'm curious to see the growth of the retail market as it continues. In Ontario we talked about it a lot expanding. It's certainly like a big like. You know, it's hard to keep it going and think of something like that, but we're still here, we're still alive.

Speaker 1: 5:46

I guess things are kind of just kind of evening out, especially in retail. We've kind of noticed a lot consumers actually want, right, I guess, as opposed to what they thought they would want, not knowing, yeah, I guess too, and with something like a value player, even how much longer can they go? Or, I guess, is it still being propped up by getting kickbacks on the back end? Will that just continue on in perpetuity, I guess? Mm-hmm, what can you do, reminder? Oh yeah, give me a rosin head. Higher orbit is powered by rosin heads, delicious, full spectrum rosin, and he's got a great flavor, too Great flavors Caramel, peanut butter.

Speaker 1: 6:23

I think you got the orange hazelnut. I didn't even know those were still around. Do you have those coming, charlie? You ordered those. Right, those are coming. Yeah, so we got orange hazelnut. Those are coming. You got strawberry peanut butter, raspberry peanut butter and my new favorite, caramel peanut butter. I've decided so yeah, just a reminder, they also have great flowers Shut up.

Speaker 1: 6:45

I did get an interesting call. This is a funny one. I got a call from the office of the mayor regarding enforcement of illicit cannabis stores, which I thought was pretty funny. I guess they know I'm a stakeholder and so that was interesting. I forget what the gentleman's name was. To be honest, it's probably better I don't mention specific names, but that they are enforcing different. They're enforcing the Cannabis Act now with the help of the OPP, and I've noticed apparently they have specifically gone after the medicine wheel, which you know was a pretty. They've been opening a lot of locations so that's pretty interesting. I'm sure everyone's paying attention. So it'll be interesting to see what kind of happens. But it seems like whatever the new charges They've laid, they're not just reopening, because before they would just reopen right the next day. It seemed like they were comfortable fighting the charges. But I think these new federal charges seem to have them closed for the time being. So I just thought that was interesting to get a call from the mayor. It's not obvious. Mayor's office.

Speaker 2: 7:46

Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 1: 7:47

There's definitely a lot of those stores and whether it's like that brand or not, no we can find a way to get them like.

Speaker 1: 7:55

I think that they deserve a right to be at the table, but we have to find a way to get them include them right. So I don't know how that what that looks like. So we wish them luck on that journey. It's an interesting development. I mean again, it's always fascinating, even the perception of it. Like, funny enough, you had certain feelings about this, but I think the OCS is doing some kind of brand launch of a fake brand. It's actually near our store. I totally forgot.

Speaker 2: 8:21

It's on Queen West. It's called Buzzkill.

Speaker 1: 8:24

Yeah, it's near the Value.

Speaker 2: 8:25

Buds over there.

Speaker 1: 8:26

Buzz, or Buzzkill, buzzkill, buzzkill. So it's like a fake illicit dispensary that they're setting up in our neighborhood. It's just interesting timing that you mentioned that they're closing the Some of the illegal ones. I'm sure that it must be. They must be a part of the conversation then, cause it does, it, can't it. It's too perfect timing in my opinion. Yeah, that is, that is interesting, but decided to do some enforcement while they do this campaign. What do you, what do you think something like that's responsible be. So basically, this buzzkill, it's like gonna be in a quote-unquote illegal dispensary and you go in and they'll be selling, like I don't know, shatter bars or whatever.

Speaker 2: 9:00

they're not actually selling them but when they like fake about to sell it to you, they'll be like oh, by the way, it's like that, yeah, they're gonna give you some spiel and make you feel like a dummy.

Speaker 1: 9:08

I guess like I'm like how is? How well is that gonna get received? I think some people are not gonna appreciate getting fished at all and they're definitely gonna have some interesting reactions, right?

Speaker 1: 9:19

uh, hopefully nobody gets mad. I can see people getting really upset. I wonder well, I far do they take it? Well, we'll have to go and check the experience out, I guess. Yeah, I'm going to report back. We'll report back. We'll check it out. I thought it was an interesting concept. My issue is, I guess, how much money they're spending on it, and it's not public knowledge, so we should reach out and ask Probably not, probably not. I'll try.

Speaker 1: 9:43

Yeah, that'll be interesting, to say the least. I mean, at the end of the day, there's always going to be the market for, like, let's say, a medicine wheel. If they can have edibles that are stronger, a lot stronger than we're allowed to carry, basically, right, yeah, that's a good point, but they're certainly not as delicious as rosin heads, so they don't have that going for them. They definitely don't have that going for them. They definitely don't. They're not artisanal chocolates, um, made with love and a clean facility. There you go, um, anyways. Well, you know, it's also funny, I so, going back to that campaign, I think they had another campaign talking about their safe and like uh, I guess, legal source of cannabis and, to be fair, like, yes, it is, should be cleaner and safer, less heavy metals, pesticides, that stuff's not allowed to be used.

Speaker 1: 10:31

But there still is like moldy weed that happens, and it is funny, like, even going back to your days, I never remember getting like moldy weed ever, totally Well, and I also wonder, too, where all this cheap distillate that's getting made like. What is that getting made out of? Cause? I'm pretty sure that's one of those things where you can turn coal into diamonds, right? That's basically like, and I think why distillate is so cheap now. But um, if people only knew what kind of weed was being put in the distillate. It's clean, though I guess I don't think so. I'm sure it's gross. I saw some. Well, I mean, after the process, you feel me though.

Speaker 2: 11:06

Yeah, because.

Speaker 1: 11:06

I bet you, it's just. You don't need high quality to make distillate.

Speaker 2: 11:10

Yeah so.

Speaker 1: 11:11

I think that's you know, yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:14

Anyways, I'm kind of curious to what it looks like. And, if it is, if there is moldy weed going in there, maybe it's been irr, yeah for sure, but does that make it safe? Do you mean like infused pre-, rolls, that type of stuff? I don't know. I guess I was just thinking about what kind of garbage goes into making distillate. Yeah, there's a lot of gnarly stuff. We'll move on from that. I guess I'm stuck on that point. All good. I heard Cheech and Chong opened their first dispensary finally, which is a funny one in Portland. Oh, portland, oh, random, shout out, tommy Chong. I don't know, I've been to Portland. I thought that that was kind of cool. Apparently, it was very well received and they're going to continue to open more. I didn't know that they were doing this, but I guess what else are those guys doing? It seems like a good time to do it.

Speaker 2: 11:56

They already have a brand.

Speaker 1: 11:57

I'm surprised they went into like an already established area, but I guess whatever.

Speaker 2: 12:02

Yeah, when you're teaching Chong?

Speaker 1: 12:04

I don't believe so. I think it's going to be like a West Coast thing. So California and Portland, washington, seattle. I enjoyed that Tommy Chong Scrape Galena, though way back when yeah, I don't know what happened to that that was delicious, that's okay. Such as it goes. They come and go. Good flavors, they really do. Specifically drinks has been really do. Specifically drinks has been really tough, yeah, but there's just a limit. I don't know. I really wish that the drink market could get better, but I feel like there's an issue there with the supply and everybody working with that one company. There's only a couple, so that makes it harder, right? Yeah, it really does.

Speaker 1: 12:38

Yeah, on to, I guess, kind of our big guess, because we didn't really preface it at all. No, we didn't. We have a really good guest in today. On this week they have the order day daytime. Basically, we'll call it the lunchtime episode. Yeah, I guess. So I definitely, definitely unusual. She's the founder of the Karma Cup. She's a die-hard cannabis connoisseur. My forgetting something? No, yeah, I'm super'm super excited she's running her own brand.

Speaker 2: 13:07

She's got. She's been running this brand since 2014.

Speaker 1: 13:10

So we're coming up with Exactly.

Speaker 1: 13:10

It's been like 10 years. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do this. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Was they going? Expert palette to evaluate the dopest bud from lice producers across the country? A true con, a connoisseur and advocate.

Speaker 1: 13:21

Sarah Sunday yeah, the founder of the Karma Cup, that's it probably seen. So, so, so, so much weed and Kind of putting on that different lens to grade it and try to be, as I guess, objective. I'm sure. No, I'm excited to chat with her about that because I feel like, you know, everybody has an opinion about cannabis. I will say, right, I feel like it's so, I'm sure she's dealt with about that. Cause I feel like, you know, everybody has an opinion about cannabis.

Speaker 1: 13:39

I will say, right, I feel like it's so, I'm sure she's dealt with it and seen a lot of people and, um, it becomes really interesting when it becomes finite, like that, and you're really starting to grade it and and make it, uh, you know, put under the microscope. Right, I like great, especially now as it's easier to kind of log and, I guess, have a compendium, if you will, of knowledge and ratings. It's so different. That's a huge difference from legacy to now. I mean, people have been reviewing weed for a long time, but I think now you can be like more specific.

Speaker 1: 14:13

And there's again, speaking to what we were saying about. Well, it's part of the education piece which is always cool, exactly, and that's why I always thought the Common Cup was really cool, right, if you have an interest in being a judge and participating, you're obviously like engaged and want to learn and figure out like what works for you, right, and like what doesn't, and what you like out of cannabis, what flavors do you like, right, and what don't you like, and I think that, definitely, going through that process, I went to an event, uh, uh, with Sarah invited me to. It was amazing and tried so many different kinds of of weed, and it's just nice to have that experience and come together as a community too, so that was really awesome, yeah, yeah, I've never really done like a grading scenario like that, so I am really interested.

Speaker 2: 14:54

You can make it.

Speaker 1: 14:55

I think I think I went alone that time. I mean, you know how do you grade which? What do you rank higher? You know what I mean? True, we talked tomorrow about it. Yeah, that's true. I guess that's the one. We had that one experience where we chatted with the sommelier about what you're looking for when it comes down to like finite details. Yeah, I feel like she gets all into the science and stuff too, which is cool. It is really cool. Yeah, under the microscope, as you said, do we have a microscope? Still, we do.

Speaker 2: 15:25

We do it's around.

Speaker 1: 15:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What should we break it out? We should look at some buds man. Oh, maybe we could do it. Maybe we should do it on our third segment. All right, we We'll be right back on Higher Orbit, powered with my rosin heads, and don't forget to follow at Higher Orbit and rosin heads, we'll be back. We'll be back with Sarah, sunday Karma Cup.

Speaker 2: 15:57

Do we have a poker?

Speaker 1: 16:00

We definitely have a poker somewhere. Is your pen top, yeah, or whatever you got? Oh yeah, he's the Woody Nelson. One Professional poker. That's a good one.

Speaker 2: 16:08

This is a good poker.

Speaker 1: 16:11

We're in the back of the shop. We're in the back of the shop With Sarah Sarah.

Speaker 2: 16:14

Sunday.

Speaker 1: 16:15

Really nice cone there. Shout out to Woody Nelson for giving us a useful little tool there. It's a little poker. I like useful merch, sorry. Well, yeah, welcome to the show. Sarah.

Speaker 2: 16:26

Thank you guys Appreciate it. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1: 16:28

Yeah, it's great to have you. It's great to chat with somebody who's been in the business for so long.

Speaker 2: 16:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 16:34

And you know. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2: 16:36

Thank you. Thank you very much. Proud drug dealer for many, many years.

Speaker 1: 16:40

Many years.

Speaker 2: 16:41

Like probably high school. So I'm old now, I'm like 46.

Speaker 1: 16:45

So yeah, 90s, mid 90s, been leading the way for a while, yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:52

I've been a grower for a long time and, yeah, we were into legalization, promotion activism and done it all basically. How long have you guys been in the biz, the biz.

Speaker 1: 17:03

Yeah, 2008? Something like that. I want to say, yeah, that was probably the first time I sold my first bag of weed, I guess, so I was buying bigger amounts of something. I don't want to say around that no, I'm wrong, I'm way off. Let me just think about this 2012. No, that's way, I'm wrong, I'm like way off. Let me just think about this 2012. 2012, 2012. But you know, it's come a long way. Where did, where did you go with the concept of the Karma Cup?

Speaker 2: 17:28

I don't even know, like I've never even asked you that and I've met you a couple times and so basically I'm a grower and there were other cups in Toronto and Canada and I don't want to say they sucked, but they kind of sucked. You thought you could do it better.

Speaker 2: 17:46

I mean, basically I was a project manager for a long time and I'm like I think I could do this pretty easily and I knew a lot of people that were growers, that were big time growers and had lots of weed around. So I made a big list of all the different people I knew that could give me a couple ounces the next day, any day of the week, kind of thing. And I hit them all up and said what do you think you're going to do this? And they're into it. So I did it and I got twice as many entries as any cup had ever had at that point in time Crazy. So I was like, yeah, okay, let's continue on Right.

Speaker 2: 18:21

And then the other cup he retired the next year because you crushed him, I crushed him and and you know there's a bit of a moat there, because it's really it doesn't seem hard. Everybody's like oh, easy money, you get the shit for free, you sell it. No, it's like like like a herding cat scenario. It's really fucking annoying.

Speaker 1: 18:44

Sorry, can I swear, oh god. Yeah, I was gonna say you have to be probably really organized yeah, and then getting all the people together is exactly you put it, don't forget right, we're dealing with donors and growers like, yeah, very, very annoying situation.

Speaker 2: 18:58

So, yeah, that makes sense. And then we did the festival too, like I. I was like I would go to chalice emerald cup, um, all the high times in the states and I was like I want to make an open-air drug market. That's what I want to do. So, like I must have been like fucked in the head or something. So so I did it because, and like one year, I had to get a new venue in three days. Another year I had to like move the venue on the Saturday night, like every frigging problem that things came up Right, like it was. I was wild to actually do that, but we did it. Like one year I had over 100 booths. Wow, yeah, it was fantastic. It was a good time.

Speaker 1: 19:40

I enjoy, I I was gonna say you must be like a glutton for punishment, because I believe you, I love I love how like raw you're like.

Speaker 2: 19:46

It's pain in the ass and I believe you total pain in the ass and people gave me the gears I used to get death threats and yeah I've had numerous death threats.

Speaker 1: 19:54

The community can be weird.

Speaker 2: 19:55

You can't even phase me with your death threat. I don't even care, I'll have another, not another. Well, okay.

Speaker 1: 20:02

Let's have a drink. Maybe you can have one more, maybe just one more, I'm just afraid.

Speaker 2: 20:06

But I mean, I'm like 10 milligrams, is it really going to? Yeah?

Speaker 1: 20:09

It's just going to be a tasty like a nice, A little undertone with the coffee.

Speaker 2: 20:14

Should we spark this? Does anyone have a light?

Speaker 1: 20:17

Unfortunately we can't spark it right in studio.

Speaker 2: 20:19

Oh we can't what's his mouth full? How depressing. Well, it's a really nice joint, guys.

Speaker 1: 20:25

Yes, we'll smoke it right out. We have another segment with you, so we'll do it in between, okay.

Speaker 2: 20:30

So quite the evolution, though Like open drug mart.

Speaker 1: 20:34

And then into this development of like grading weed, and then into this development of like grading weed. It was always about grading weed, though, right.

Speaker 2: 20:39

Yeah, we started with the cup, my whole thing. The thing that I really liked was the cup. The festival just helped make the income to make it happen, right. So, yeah, I always wanted to make sort of a fair cup for growers, because the other one, like they fucked up and gave the trophies to the wrong people. Like they had this weird way that they put the weed into, like you know, those dime bags. There's like an eight, an orange eight ball, a red eight ball, all these like pictures, so they would put the weed into that. So they had like a white and brown eight ball and they had a brown and white eight ball and and so people would write down a brown and white eight ball, number one. And so they literally fucked it up and they gave the wrong person the trophies.

Speaker 1: 21:24

And I'm just like holy fuck well, I've actually learned a lot, though, because you've done it a few times now. Oh yeah, I'm sure it's been a process of figuring out, like how to get everyday people to understand how to you know.

Speaker 2: 21:39

It's an educational process, but it's also like the process in itself is educational.

Speaker 1: 21:45

Yeah, totally, which is what makes it awesome, and you know what the other?

Speaker 2: 21:49

thing is it's consumer's opinion, which to some degree, might be more important than expert opinion, because the consumers are buying your weed. The experts are literally growing their weed, or somebody gives them weed, or they're getting it from the black market, or whatever the deal is the consumer opinion. It's like a big focus group to some degree.

Speaker 1: 22:10

I never thought about it that way. I guess you are right. I always thought it was brilliant, because people do want to participate and they want their opinion to be heard. So they want to feel like they're making a difference. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2: 22:19

They want and they want their opinion to be heard, so they want to feel like they're making a difference. Yeah, they want to get involved. I mean some do, and then some are like you mean, I have to do this work, they just want to smoke the weed like there's always a certain segment of people that are just like I. Just want to smoke the.

Speaker 1: 22:29

Weed, oh really, yeah, I didn't really think about that where they don't even do it. Yeah, I problems with that.

Speaker 2: 22:34

before you like wait a second, I can force it, I'm not really I'm more libertarian, I'm not really into making crazy rules and I'm gonna go to their door and say you've got to smoke, you gotta do that you know?

Speaker 1: 22:44

No, you have to do the feedback. I'm coming after you? No, I can see. I was gonna say too, and then you're dealing with stoners, because it's like a lot of the time we open lots of jars and then we're like, yeah, let's you down anything, Just even a description. We always forget.

Speaker 2: 22:58

And then the jar is gone, and then it's what's the next jar to try?

Speaker 1: 23:01

Yeah, that is true, that is all the time, but it's so important to get that feedback. Right yeah, we have some of your products here. Right yeah, what do you have on the table here?

Speaker 2: 23:13

I've got judges kits from this year, the hybrid judges kit. I'll leave these with you guys. You can give me your opinions if you remember. Thank you. And then I've got my Sativa Jack hair.

Speaker 1: 23:28

Yes, I tried that. That was lovely. I think you gave me a sample. It was great. It's nice weed, it's good weed, it's quality weed.

Speaker 2: 23:38

And then I've got an Indica pre-roll which is ripped off runs, the ripped off runs, which was the second place Indica last year in Karma Cup.

Speaker 1: 23:42

Amazing. You said you're doing it with a ceramic tip right Ceramic tip. Thank you for mentioning that Amazing, yeah, yeah, and it's very accessible price. We're going to bring it in. So do the judges, kits dictate what go in the pre-rolls. Is that how that works? It's not how that works.

Speaker 2: 23:56

I mean it could, but I just I have a good relationship with the grower and the weed was really good and it's Movet Herb, which is a craft grower from Quebec. He is the Canna Nutrients Test Facility in Canada.

Speaker 1: 24:14

Very cool.

Speaker 2: 24:15

So Canna is basically the most premium nutrient you can get and it makes like some of the best weed out there. It always tastes really clean, it burns clean to a nice ash, it's easy. They've got really good support. So the combination of him and his growing skills plus all the tech that they have is an amazing combination. And then his weed has a proper moisture content. I'm super picky about that.

Speaker 2: 24:42

I want it to be like 13 or so if possible right 12 somewhere between 11 and 13 would be my ideal, so that, like you get a bit of sponginess and when you roll it it sort of stays together in the joint and and the proper moisture content makes it taste better like when it's dry, it burns faster and it's grosser, like you get the burning taste more.

Speaker 1: 25:07

I don't like that burning thing I'm like.

Speaker 2: 25:09

All that's why I like his weed is because it doesn't. It tastes like the dry toke when it's burning right, which is rare. Most weed is rare tastes like burning and I'm like I don't like it. I'm not into that good point.

Speaker 1: 25:21

No, that is a good point, sarah. I remember I brought that up. Sorry, you brought up a great thing. Uh, the dry pull to the burn, and I remember I sorry, I said that to louise once and it was. He's someone who works here part-time. He's getting more into, weed more, and he was like oh, I never like thought of it like that and he's really anyways that's important for people to learn that, right?

Speaker 2: 25:42

Yeah, and that's one of the criteria that I have on my list. Like I try to my evaluations like 12 or 13 questions, depending on whether it's pre-roll or bud, and like I could do way more questions, but then the attrition rate on people actually finishing it is difficult, right, and, and then the attrition rate on people actually finishing it is difficult. But you want to sort of capture everything. So that was one of my things. Does the weed taste when it's combusting, like the actual smell and dry pull? Very?

Speaker 1: 26:12

important it really is. I've got a burning question. It's probably not on that list, but for a lot of people it's a big deal. Black ash what?

Speaker 2: 26:21

do you think about that? I've got that on my craft. Of course, my God ash is on there, because I'm picky about that.

Speaker 1: 26:27

I am too. I am too. It makes a difference, for sure.

Speaker 2: 26:35

But some people think it's like a debunked. It's a you can do to make the ash whiter when it's still full of nutrients like calcium and magnesium make it whiter. But you know, in general it's an indication that the plant is properly flushed and it doesn't contain nutrients. The plant will taste like shit when you have lots of nitrogen still left in it.

Speaker 1: 26:56

So I would also say the consistency of the ash People talk about that either.

Speaker 2: 27:01

Right that nice and smooth. It doesn't burn well and it hangs on to the thing the whole way it doesn't like.

Speaker 1: 27:08

Is it a consistent color too? Yes, it could be okay, I don't mind it if it's. You know what's it like there? Is it spotty?

Speaker 2: 27:20

I agree with you. Smooth too, totally yeah, really never talked about. We gotta get ashes in my hand and feel it. I'm like does it feel smooth or does it feel chunky? Ricardo does that too.

Speaker 1: 27:24

Yeah, I want to get someone from the camp who doesn't care about ash on beef with them.

Speaker 2: 27:28

I mean we can have a debate right, I'm probably not gonna agree with what they have to say I don't matter what they say I mean a lot of these. No offense, but if you're not a grower I kind of don't really care what you have to say about weed. That's fair.

Speaker 2: 27:43

Because I don't think you really know very much Even the people that are like super into it and like have education and certifications and things like this If you haven't actually grown weed, I think your knowledge is limited, and I say that from somebody who went from not growing wheat to growing wheat and I thought I knew a whole bunch more than I did before I grew wheat. That's a fair opinion, I think you can only learn so much.

Speaker 1: 28:08

I think you're right, you. You hit a ceiling. I would write you do to a certain point. You're right, yeah, and yeah, I guess right I'm, since I've started growing weed. I guess I get that know. Sometimes I feel like I can say, hey, I actually do grow weed too, right? So it does bring an element to your opinion that others can't have, and that's just from experience, and and that's it Right, that's what it's all about Basically, yeah, yeah. Have you kept up growing.

Speaker 2: 28:35

I am on small scale anymore. There's not much point in growing commercial weed anymore, because it weeds basically free.

Speaker 1: 28:42

It's a lot of work. You do it for the passion, you use small batch and do it for yourself.

Speaker 2: 28:45

I still have my MMR guys on my farm and I've got like a 600 plant license.

Speaker 1: 28:51

Oh, sick, so small grow. I hear you for sure. No, it's all good, we can still. Yeah, no, I've never really tried, so I'll be honest with you there.

Speaker 2: 29:04

It's a good time. I highly recommend it. And the weed that you get out of like a small setup like one light or maybe up to four lights, it's a lot of weed. It's like it's not that much weed. No, okay, weed is the best weed because, like every one of those plants, you baby it, you take care of it like it's, like you're treating it like it's your lady.

Speaker 1: 29:23

So yeah, right compared to, like, when you get like 100 lights or something, and then it's like it becomes more of a production line I was gonna say, like, of all the karma cups you've had, are there like some memorable years and, furthermore, just like really memorable entries that like you'll never forget. Like man, that was some fire, that one.

Speaker 2: 29:40

I mean, we had a lot of fire.

Speaker 1: 29:41

I'm sure you did. I had a lot of fire.

Speaker 2: 29:43

Usually it would come in, like the way I did it was it would go to my post office box and then I'd pick it up and I'd like do the intake on it because I had like a form they had to fill out that told me everything about it. And then I'd like open the bag and be like OK winner. You almost always knew I could tell something that would place very, very easily.

Speaker 1: 30:06

Interesting. Yeah, you were like this one will probably you never know until you burn it, like.

Speaker 2: 30:11

I will put that caveat on it because it can lose everything in the burn. It tastes like burning. It doesn't burn very good. No-transcript seed breeder anyway, and it was the most beautiful weed and I was like excited. I'm like okay, wait, I'm like there's an extra gram. Okay, yay, I'm gonna smoke this and I smoke it and I call it asbestos weed because it's flame retardant it doesn't like it doesn't it's like black right, I'm like and it's organic, which is another thing.

Speaker 2: 30:44

People think organic's like the bees knees, but frequently it's not, because you end up with lots of nutrients in the pot that don't degrade by the time you need to get the plant done. So, it ends up like with the asbestos weed issue.

Speaker 1: 30:56

Oh no.

Speaker 2: 30:57

Grower told me that once with organic weed that they had that issue sometimes. Yeah, I think organic is overrated.

Speaker 1: 31:03

That's honestly the worst, though it's the worst when it looks amazing and smells amazing, you get so excited.

Speaker 2: 31:08

It feels amazing and you're like you gotta roll something else and you roll it up and you're like wait a second, what happened here? Uh-oh, just get angry at the joint, it's like the last minute, right.

Speaker 1: 31:17

You're like no, it's so disappointing, it is so disappointing, it's the worst, it's life. On that same note, from a mistake of grading where like you're just like no, you guys got it all wrong. Everyone graded and they're like the wrong one. You can't really say it's the wrong one.

Speaker 2: 31:33

No, you know what I mean. Honestly, I almost always knew what the winner was Like. I think every year I could pick the winners. It was, it wasn't hard for me.

Speaker 1: 31:42

Maybe not in any particular order, but you're like these ones are going to be the top, yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:45

Yeah, like the top couple strains, especially like what people were into. We had some weird things happen. I had one time like the growers didn't even know which number there was, so they somebody would buy the kid or whatever, and they'd they'd be like I think I'm number three, indica number three, or whatever. So they one year I had these people won't say their name and they went and told everyone to vote for their strain. Right, but it was the wrong strain.

Speaker 2: 32:14

It was someone else's strain and he ended up this other guy won. That's pretty funny and they, like you know, I got the death threats. Like you mixed up the weed, blah, blah, blah, and I'm like listen, none of that happened. You just don't know your weed. It was funny because they jarred it. And if you jar the weed before it's properly dry and it sits there for a fucking couple weeks, it's going to smell terrible.

Speaker 1: 32:36

It's going to get funky? Yeah, you're going to burp it. If you're not burping it right? Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2: 32:40

So theirs was shit, because normally they just put it in a plastic bag. So when it's in a plastic bag, there's more breathing going on right, more than necessary. It's not as sealed as well. It's not as sealed either, right, there's different reasons.

Speaker 1: 32:52

That's not as great.

Speaker 2: 32:53

But I agree with you. Yeah, that's too funny.

Speaker 1: 32:56

Yeah, there you go. It's reminding me nothing more disappointing than like yeah, weed that's gone bad from not being properly stored too.

Speaker 2: 33:05

It's such a like sad thing as well. These are I mean, yes, these are the amateur mistakes that you make you learn. That's how you learn.

Speaker 1: 33:11

Yeah, that is how you learn. Oh, by not storing weed properly. I really like that.

Speaker 2: 33:16

That's how you learn.

Speaker 1: 33:17

I really want to see it. I like that it's completely anonymous there. Yeah, I'm clinging on that now too.

Speaker 2: 33:22

It's fun.

Speaker 1: 33:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:25

That is a lot of fun. Yeah, and on the back I've got a little code and you log into the voting system.

Speaker 1: 33:30

Okay, what do you use the code? I have an interesting one for you. What's been your like? There's been challenges for everybody going from legacy legal. What do you think has been the biggest challenge for the comic cup? Going legacy to legal. Like, did you really have to redo the format?

Speaker 2: 33:42

Yeah, I had to redo the format, which I'm still not a hundred percent happy with.

Speaker 1: 33:47

Okay.

Speaker 2: 33:47

Because I want to get to the winners faster. Right, like I feel like it loses momentum and I want to like get, and I just want to. I like to get a project over with.

Speaker 1: 33:56

Okay.

Speaker 2: 33:58

And one of my biggest issues is actually the legacy people. They were not happy, very unhappy. The first year they like got two of my Instagrams taken down and then the week that I launched, I'd like had the stores tag us and all the stores basically all the stores that tagged us and I shared their post or whatever got their Instagrams taken down from the haterade trash bag. People love it.

Speaker 1: 34:26

I get a little aggressive.

Speaker 2: 34:27

You're good, but I'm like you know, whatever, basically they wanted me to be like the last one to leave and transition over.

Speaker 1: 34:35

I had to like go down with the ship or something People love.

Speaker 2: 34:37

A troll, the whole time they've been hating me. The entire time I've been doing this, I'm like, oh, I'm such a horrible person. I made an open air drug market for you to like do business and meet people and make connections and meet your customers and make more.

Speaker 1: 34:52

I'm trying to move my brand forward and I'm the worst person.

Speaker 2: 34:55

I'm like the worst person ever because I like I've made, because I charged money for that. I'm like guys, it costs it was one hundred and twenty to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars production cost every friggin year. I needed to make something on. It was a huge risk and I would wake up in starting in about July. The thing was in the weekend after Labor Day. I would wake up in July at 4 am Like worrying about it literally every single day. So like I'm sorry, I deserved something for that.

Speaker 1: 35:22

I think that's totally fair. Yeah, and I'm sure as it grew and it got bigger, it got more stressful, it was hard yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:30

That's bigger.

Speaker 1: 35:30

It got more stressful, it was hard. Yeah, that's a yeah, it's growing.

Speaker 2: 35:32

Just finding a location was hard. That's crazy. Like everything went to condos, yeah we're gonna put it.

Speaker 1: 35:35

We'll be back soon with sarah sunday. Don't forget to follow at higher orbit. Where can they find you? On instagram, sarah at the karma cup ca follow at the karma cup. Ca. Um, we're gonna uh, don't forget rosin ed's. Uh, powers higher orbit, we'll blaze that. We're going to smoke some Pure Michigan. Yeah, you rolled up that cone. Woo, we're ready, we'll be back. Order came, huge order, fat flow-through order. That was exciting, we'll get back to it. No, totally, I just opened the Nala Far farms.

Speaker 1: 36:11

Oh did you rolling up the Nala farms rip station, cuz I. It was like the second box open, so it was lucky. There you go. Sorry, I'll let you take it over. I'm gonna start rolling. No, I want to, I would. We should look at it and get live opinions. Let's see what Sarah thinks. I'm intrigued that, so that's a brand new drop. I'm intrigued, so that's a brand new drop.

Speaker 2: 36:28

Shout out to. I like the informative Tom. There was a lot of information on the back. Yes, Tom from Nala Shout out man on your launch.

Speaker 1: 36:35

Yeah, there is a lot of info on the back he's got. Yeah, they did three rolls and a 3.5. So we got both.

Speaker 2: 36:41

I'll never get used to the having. Ooh, this smells good.

Speaker 1: 36:45

I thought, yeah, a lot of information.

Speaker 2: 36:46

Wow, okay, smells pretty good, interesting looking bud, I got that sativa-like sort of thing going on. Yeah, I mean I don't mind that trim because I just pull off those leaves and I don't smoke them, that's what I just did. Right and then underneath that, you've got like virgin trichome.

Speaker 1: 37:02

Yeah, true, so you should think of that as a trichome preservation device. Like a preservation device, like a protector, like growers.

Speaker 2: 37:07

A lot of them don't even really do a serious trim on the weed that they're going to smoke. I mean, there's pure laziness, but there's, it's also. It just it's. You have it in jars, it'll fall off, right, you know what I mean. Or you finger trim it and fantastic, right.

Speaker 1: 37:22

Yeah, I kind of thought it looked good. It preserves everything. It looks.

Speaker 2: 37:25

It's nice looking weed.

Speaker 1: 37:26

Yeah, it smells really good. I just broke it up. There's definitely some tangy in that lineage somewhere.

Speaker 2: 37:31

I think so. Yeah, it's very peppery actually, just from the, and you know it's got a good moisture level.

Speaker 1: 37:37

It's a little bit sticky. It's a little bit of gas too, which is a hard profile to find in the legal.

Speaker 2: 37:43

That's what I liked, when you, when you when I opened it's gas, my love. My love is the gasoline, me too.

Speaker 1: 37:49

Any kind of petrol. Yes, it's like medical smelling too. Medical petrol is like my favorite, where it smells like. You know what I mean. There's so many good ones.

Speaker 2: 38:00

I know exactly what you're talking about, where it actually smells almost chemical, kind of Very industrial. It's like an industrial smell vibe. That's what I like the dental office smell in a taste Kind of yeah, Very industrial.

Speaker 1: 38:09

It's like an industrial smell vibe. Yeah, that's what I like the dental office smell in a taste form.

Speaker 2: 38:15

I mean, is that as crazy as, like I like skunk?

Speaker 1: 38:19

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:19

Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 2: 38:21

Right, that, basically all the weed flavors, except for the ones that I don't like. Like I'm not into the fruity or all that Like. Personally I'm not saying anything about it, I just for me. No, thank you. I already was there. I remember I grew like every format of Agent Orange, basically Like there's all sorts of orange strains I've grown like I think unless it's well, I haven't grown it in a while because I'm just not into that but I've grown all of them Like Agent Orange, jilly Bean, like what other ones Tang grown all of them like Agent.

Speaker 2: 38:50

Orange Jilly Bean, like what other ones, Tangy, so you used to do more fruit.

Speaker 1: 38:54

Yeah, I had a period, a fruit phase. I think that's also a fun journey too. I mean, at least from my perspective. Again, I hadn't sold weed previously, or maybe I did a couple of ounces, but I don't consider it selling lots of weed. But selling weed here and seeing people kind of change their taste is interesting because we've been here for three years now, so we've developed some rapport with people.

Speaker 2: 39:13

Yeah, so are you able to sort of like always as a brand? My question to the stores is how can I support you in being able to sell this Right? And so some people have good answers to that and some people have no answers, so I don't know. What can a brand do for your shop to make them to help you and aid, because in the end, like we can't advertise that customers in a direct way really because it all has to be age gated, so you rely on, like, social media and that's you know your reach is throttled because you're a weed brand. So I think getting at the actual customer is difficult and obviously you need the intermediary of the store and the person behind the counter to be able to make that like love connection between right what's in the bag, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:00

I would just say, um, collaboration in some form. So I know that's kind of broad, Like what that's broad. But I'll give you a kind of an example. I mean, I guess I'm not going to think of a specific brand that we've worked with, but we'll work with the brand to do X and that might be like in how we communicate some of our communications. And again, I can't really even think of it specifically. I'm a little bit like off that.

Speaker 2: 40:26

Well, we just got high, so don't worry.

Speaker 1: 40:31

But yeah, just basically any willingness to like try and do something fun.

Speaker 2: 40:33

Whether it can be creative, it can be, you know, on our end it can be cool okay, we'll have to brainstorm and we can do something fun for karma cup and cosmic charlies yeah right I mean I'm into fun. I like fun. That's one of the things I think we're missing from the current um incarnation of the legal incarnation is the fun. We always had lots of fun back in the old days.

Speaker 1: 40:53

It should be fun, because we're not supposed to be fun. It's too enticing for the children. Yes, that's the government position for sure I know I'm joking.

Speaker 2: 41:01

I don't agree with them.

Speaker 2: 41:03

One time, when it was back in the old days, so everybody was getting their medical licenses right, their MMARs, and they had a period of time, just before they stopped them, that it was taking like a year plus to get your renewal.

Speaker 2: 41:14

So people were completely like rod, like open, yeah, and they were open to like prosecution if they had an issue, right, wow, so, um, so we went and took like a whole bus load of medical patients to ottawa and you know we walked around parliament Hill or whatever. But then we went and stood in front of the parking garage the Health Canada parking garage at like 3.30 or something on a Friday afternoon and we just, you know, stood there for 90 minutes, two hours. We let a few people out every 15 minutes, so it's not forcible confinement, and then they solved the problem in about two weeks. So my suggestion is, if we have problems, we need to make more, be more squeaky, like way more squeaky at the bureaucracy, because if they really want something to happen, they can make it happen. Right, I saw it happen, we made it happen, so I know it's possible.

Speaker 1: 42:05

Yeah, I feel like legal consumption space would be huge for your brand.

Speaker 2: 42:08

That'd be great.

Speaker 1: 42:09

Like it was like specifically for the Karma Cup. I think that that would take your to really where you want to be and would probably bring back a lot of the what actually people originally liked about it probably.

Speaker 2: 42:20

About smoking together, consuming together.

Speaker 1: 42:24

Is that like? Is that subversive?

Speaker 2: 42:25

act or something Like I don't even understand. Like what is the rationale? Did you guys ever go to Vapor Central on Yonge Street? Yeah, See that was like the spot. I used to spend ridiculous amounts of time in that place and like they'd have little podcast-y things go on live every a couple days a week and so everybody would know okay, come on Tuesday because Myrna's got his podcast and you can hang out with all your friends, and like it was like a real cheers type of situation.

Speaker 2: 42:53

I actually did a Karma Cup there in 2015. It was. It was funny. Actually, they didn't want to give me two days because they said or no, in 2014,. I asked them, can I do it here? And they're like. They're like, well, we don't think it'll be very big and it'll be how, about a Tuesday at one o'clock? And I'm like, yeah, no, so, um, I did it somewhere else. I did it at my friend Joey's place, clandestiny, and then they asked me the next year. They're like you, we have to be involved because it was big right, yeah do you have a?

Speaker 1: 43:21

um? You have something coming up, don't you? Is there something we?

Speaker 2: 43:24

should be talking about.

Speaker 1: 43:25

I think it's a good, good cue to bring it up yeah, yeah, you're good, thank you, um, I will ramble forever.

Speaker 2: 43:30

now that we're high, I could probably do a five-hour podcast. October 24th, which is Thursday, we're having our gala awards ceremony.

Speaker 1: 43:41

Amazing.

Speaker 2: 43:43

Yeah, so there's four different of these bags. There's an indica sativa hybrid and a pre-roll.

Speaker 1: 43:47

Okay.

Speaker 2: 43:47

So we're going to award an award at this glass trophy. I should have brought the fucking trophy, goddamn pothead, shit right, I'm like damn it. I should have brought the trophy, but I've got this cool trophy that's like a bong, so you can smoke out of it and I've had a different, I've had a few different in our cake.

Speaker 1: 44:08

Like iterations yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:11

Over the years, but anyway, so tangent when I I'm high, so you have to like, pull me back.

Speaker 1: 44:16

We got you Um yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:18

So I'm happy we're doing the award ceremony, we're giving out the trophies, we're we're having a bunch of the brands there and a couple other brands as well. Um, they'll all be showing up, it's you know fun, I'll be there. That's a lot of fun, I'm glad that you came to announce it on the 24th. We're going to smoke in the venue.

Speaker 1: 44:36

Oh, that's dope, that's sick.

Speaker 2: 44:38

There you go, my events are always, and it's more annoying for me they're always consumption in the event space, which these days very hard that's why I did it in a parking lot before, because nobody's going to give me a problem.

Speaker 1: 44:53

Yeah, yeah, pretty hard to give you a problem in the parking lot. That's where it all began in the parking lot.

Speaker 2: 44:58

Let's be honest yes, it's a lot, Many, many many years I would bring everything in like fence, porta-potties, tables, chairs, like literally all these different, and we'd build that thing. Usually we'd start at like 4 am. And build it until like 10 in the morning and then open the doors.

Speaker 1: 45:17

Yeah, with that many vendors.

Speaker 2: 45:18

Holy shit man it was always insane, like an insane level of work and like even they would be. We'd rent it from like midnight on. So you basically have to like station somebody there, make sure that everybody left their car, because that was actually one of my pure nightmares One time. We had somebody not come get their car and by some amazing thank you God, situation, luck somebody there knew a tow guy that had actually offered, said to him hey, if you need a tow anytime, call me. So we called him at like 5 in the morning and said please come here from like like Oshawa or something and tow this guy out of this lot or we're going to have to build it around him, like what are we going to do?

Speaker 2: 46:00

Yeah, so.

Speaker 1: 46:01

That's pretty funny. Yeah, there you go, never give up, it can be done.

Speaker 2: 46:10

Actually that's, I believe in that go over, go under go.

Speaker 1: 46:11

Whatever you need to do, just Make it happen. Make it happen. No, I didn't know that your background was um Project coordination, so it makes sense that you were project management or management. Sorry, not so organized Well yeah, you know so organized and able to bring all these great ideas to actual, like you know I just mean this with all those respect, as us, as donors, always have these grandiose ideas and like it's hard to pull it off and executing them, yeah, that was.

Speaker 2: 46:34

My worst fear was always that I wouldn't be able to pull it off and like because I saw there was this amazing event california called chalice and it was like an oil festival and he would get tons of people there in the desert and they it was fantastic, like probably one of my favorite weed parties ever. And he had a year where the government it was right, when they were becoming legalized in 2017 or something, and the government wouldn't let them, um, sell weed there or something.

Speaker 2: 47:00

So he like canceled it and I'm like no just tell him you're not selling weed, and sell weed, yeah, um, and because, anyway, anyway. So he lost his entire business and he had to sell to high times and then he never did a big festival like that ever again. So I was always I'm always like in my mind, I was like the show must go on, no matter what. Find a way, right, find a way has to happen, because I'm not going through. I saw it happen, so I'm like I'm not going through. Had he talked to me so bogus I would, if we had been good buddies, I would have told Dougie what to do there, don't just keep going.

Speaker 1: 47:35

Yeah, then you all. It's a lot of you so nervous, angry cuz I made plans to come there.

Speaker 2: 47:39

They paid their airfare, their Airbnb hotel.

Speaker 1: 47:42

Whatever that, you know, I'm saying yeah, you don't want to be the fire, the brand we.

Speaker 2: 47:45

You don't want I mean you want it's an event. The show must go on like this. That's there for a reason.

Speaker 1: 47:50

That saying is meaningful yeah, um, I think there is something to be said about that I totally agree with you every other project you can push the date on, and you do, by the way in it.

Speaker 2: 48:01

We push the date on every project. I don't think we ever had anything ever happen on time, never, never. But this one is so ultimate but it's like a a date, it's an event. So you actually no matter what, whether you're ready or not.

Speaker 1: 48:11

I'd be so nervous You're held accountable to that.

Speaker 2: 48:14

Can't be like let's move it till tomorrow because I had something happen. You have to actually do the work.

Speaker 1: 48:19

No, and I feel like you're really. It's almost like your credibility is on the line when you do something like that, and I feel like we didn't even do a huge event for our birthday this year and I felt I just felt pressure for it too, so I can see how you would feel that kind of pressure and stress because, yes, you're putting a lot out there, you're putting yourself out there.

Speaker 2: 48:34

I guess it's the best way to say you really are, I'm on trial. Your reputation your, your, everything right which is why I would wake up at four in the morning like right, because like that I didn't. I wanted to always do the best job. Now, like I did, made mistakes like a human, and I learned. I tried to learn every year. Try to whatever. You can only improve. Take criticism and improve. And that's actually the theme of the cup is that growers have to take criticism because there will be some.

Speaker 2: 49:02

And people are outrageously harsh, holy moly, anyway. So it's taking criticism and improving and the brands that normally mine is very specific, like that. We give each you a score for each category so they know where they need to improve. And I've had brands like I've had people come in last and then work on it and come in um first. You know, actually fat farmer is an example, the first, I think it was four years he entered and never won a thing and then he changed something in his processing and he like, then he just won, won, won, won, won. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 49:35

Interesting. That's always cool to see that too.

Speaker 2: 49:37

Right. I don't know if he took the yeah, but I know for a fact people have told me. Like they've used the survey basically to figure out how to improve. To figure out how to improve, that's amazing Because you know it's like a big focus group.

Speaker 1: 49:50

Yeah, I've never really thought about it that way. I've never really thought about it.

Speaker 2: 49:54

I'm glad I got to talk to you about it, because people are harsh too.

Speaker 1: 49:56

I always thought about it customer facing, not the other grower facing, I guess if that makes sense, Well, yeah, the back end.

Speaker 2: 50:03

Well, I mean, that was part of it. I wanted Other cups. They would like announce the first, second and third, and then you never knew like I could be last or I could be.

Speaker 1: 50:11

fourth, you don't get the feedback.

Speaker 2: 50:12

Right, and mine is more specific because you get feedback in each category, each question. I give you the score on.

Speaker 1: 50:18

I get it, so you can pull what you want off of that, and at least you're getting a little bit more finite data than just yeah, some people get angry and offended. How do you pick part of it? Uh, who you work with now, like which lps work with you, and how do they go about that?

Speaker 2: 50:33

I mean, I'm always open to chat with other lps. Yeah, um, the um basically it's. Uh, you need somebody that is willing to work with you because I'm doing something that's complicated and takes more work, like I do most of, like the gathering of all the documentation, but the in the end the q? Qa person still has to like log or do whatever the heck they do on the back end stuff I don't want to know about um into the system for each one of the things, and there's 20 little bags, there's 20, so like that's and it's it's it's more work a lot of checklist management.

Speaker 2: 51:07

it's just like literally running a list on people and reminding them ad infinitum to send their shit that they're supposed to send, like their paperwork, so that you get it. Yeah, Because there's opious amounts of paperwork with this system. It's like keeping the paper people in business. I don't know Like.

Speaker 1: 51:25

It's Just all this red tape Like I've never seen, like everything has a form and an SOP involved and a like. Interesting.

Speaker 2: 51:35

Everything's got like a document that you have to like oh it's, everything has a document you have to like follow and get signed, or something.

Speaker 1: 51:43

Fascinating, sorry, no, I just like. To me that's like a familiar landscape because I worked in retail banking for a while. So it's a regulated industry.

Speaker 2: 51:51

It's similar Sounds, terrible though it is, it's not an ideal Draconic I mean, but I also feel like they're writing their own SOPs, so maybe you try to write it so it's easy and wait for them to object.

Speaker 1: 52:02

Maybe right yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:03

Why make your life easier rather than harder? You go to these facilities and they're wearing masks and I'm like, why? Because most of the problems with butt, most of these microbials that they're looking for, are basically foodborne illness, so it's like, maybe put the mask on your butt. Why?

Speaker 1: 52:22

The farts are infecting If you're having foodborne illness coming out of your mouth. There's something bigger wrong with you and you're not working that day Is that the most common no kidding? Shit coming out of your mouth or something big or wrong with you and you're not working that day Is that the most common no kidding.

Speaker 2: 52:31

Shit coming out of your mouth. You know, sarah.

Speaker 1: 52:33

I got a little gift for you oh thank you A little higher orbit. Mug. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Oh, fantastic. Some goodies I mean, you brought up some goodies.

Speaker 2: 52:43

Oh awesome, this is fantastic. Thank you very much. I got stickers too.

Speaker 1: 52:47

Yeah, we can't wait to hear the results, oh check it out.

Speaker 2: 52:50

Oh, look at this. Yes, dab pad, yeah, he brought us this sweet little mouse pad.

Speaker 1: 52:54

Dab mat, dab mat, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:57

Oh, and I've got the commemorative that goes on a torch. That's actually seriously.

Speaker 1: 53:04

Oh, it'll like wrap around it. Yeah, cute and funny. I like your little lighter with the Toronto flag.

Speaker 2: 53:09

Yes, you like him.

Speaker 1: 53:10

Oh, and then that's your.

Speaker 2: 53:13

Yes, see, I've got him in patch form. If you have a jean jacket or something, I have a few more of those For those listening. It's the bong award.

Speaker 1: 53:22

The Karma. Cup winner it's like a bong patch. It's really jokes. It looks like guy Towel-y.

Speaker 2: 53:29

The pin to. I've got lots of pins. I did used to do like two or three pins a year.

Speaker 1: 53:40

So I stole backlog of you. Got the dude, the dude, a copy right. The dude has copy. Okay, copy, guy, copy. That's pretty good I love creative.

Speaker 2: 53:44

So he's well, man. I mean even the the artist wasn't very creative about. I'm like can you think of a better name? He's like not really. And I'm like yeah, exactly, that's it.

Speaker 1: 53:57

So now he's cupping, it works honestly, the karma cups is an iconic thing and I'm really glad we got to have you on as a guest and learn more about the history and thank you guys. Make sure you participate and we look forward to consumption spaces. Make sure you follow at Higher Orbit and follow at karmacupca. Did you say Karmacupca CA?

Speaker 2: 54:18

No, I'm thekarmacupcom. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1: 54:20

I'm on all the socials On that as well. Make sure to check out Sarah. Her event's coming up October 24th. And thanks for listening to Higher Up. We've got to process this $3,000 flow-through order now. It doesn't stop. We'll see you guys soon. Remember, higher Up is powered by Rod diagnostic complete all systems functioning normally.