Speaker 1: 0:00

Minus 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, main engine start 4, 3, 2, 1.

Speaker 2: 0:12

I'm Sean and I'm Charlie and this is our event. We made it. I am so pumped. This is really dope. We're not at the back of the shop, we are not. We're in an alternate universe. Yeah, I'm gonna look at the whole time piece. What time is it? I don't even know where we are open, though.

Speaker 2: 0:37

I've transformed to a place on eglinton yeah, and the sound is very good to a cool coffee shop. Yeah, beside, yeah, beside a dispensary. Yes, that we love that, we love. Yeah, it's independently owned. Yeah, if you're ever in the area at Bathurst and Eglinton, I'm really enjoying it. It's like I admire it. Don't vibe. They're right beside this cool coffee shop, half way down the hill. Yeah, made a killer Killer Ice Coffee. I'm Jack on Caffeine. I'm happy to be here Dabbed out. I'm dabbed out. Shout out to Alan. Yeah, yeah, our boy from Hybrid Visions, and I can't wait. And he's manning the dab bar as we speak in the live audience. Let's hear some noise. Charlie loves it. Sean's killing me. I love it. I can't wait to introduce Hugo Leandre Gant. Sean, yeah, but do I had to say it? Yeah, but I would do. Yeah, I would do.

Speaker 2: 1:36

Founder and CEO. And Jordan Dickinson, founder, master grower and head of the Sauce Rosin teams. We love Sauce Rosin. I feel so blessed they can make the time to come see us. They're coming all the way from the East Coast, don't you know those East Coasters? I love them, I know I'm just you know. That just adds how much I love Sauce Rosin Labs. I already love them. We've been trending. The product leads to itself. I just love the jars of theirs. They're just delicious terms and there really is no comparison in the legal market. Yeah, um, there are some people coming up and out and trying to make a statement and I appreciate that. I guess I have to have it. But, um, you know, let's be real. I mean, I guess it's tough. It's tough, it's tough to be a a legal rosin maker. Yeah, but not when you're making really good trips like sauce. So I'm really excited to have them on the show. Absolutely, dude, absolutely, it's going to be really cool. I really, uh, can't express enough, I don't know enough, and or you know all the delicious rosins and techniques, but yeah, well, we can talk to jordan and hugo a little bit more about what the secret sauce is I guess yeah, yeah

Speaker 2: 2:53

yeah, no, it's been like a nice medicine. It's been a long time since we've had an episode and it feels kind of cool that we can come back and do something really special, like live like this. You know, um, why did we take a big break, charlie? What do you mean? Well, I'm just addressing the elephant in the room. We haven't put out a show in some time and it just feels good to be back. Oh, yeah, I'm trying to say I'm not trying to put a oh, that's what you mean. I mean I had a baby. Uh, he definitely had a baby.

Speaker 2: 3:23

That's the hard thing to do, super intense, and then like weird autoimmune, I don't even know your body shutting down on you and like trying to run a business with me and still, like you know, support a baby at the same time. It's crazy things, but you did the dude and you're really like thriving. So pat yourself on the back. You know. Yeah, you're killing it. Yeah, thanks, dude. No, no, no, feeling all right, I guess. But obviously navigating that journey is hard and like realizing the like maybe you've been using cannabis. The whole time is like I don't know, a medical user kind of. I hate to say it, but like hey, man, if you're using it to get sleep, you're using it to like function and have like a better, um, you know, life and wellbeing, yeah, and there's nothing to be worried about. Yeah, no, and in that respect, like dabs and like, certainly really nicely, it has been really helpful, has it? Yeah, definitely, dude. What have we been smoking lately? We were smoking that, uh, flower wise anyways. Um, we smoked the moonshine. The moonshine was phenomenal. I think it's north something. Cultivators I don't have the bag in front of me, but it's through woody nelson. The 14 gram bags, some of the best flyer I've tried in a really long time. If you have an opportunity to find some, get yourself some. It was phenomenal. I think it's like a Mai Tai cross. Don't remember this. I'm not going to quote it, I'll tell you after the break. I'm going to come back to that. But also, it was really nice that Glock the gelato. I'm a big fan. I'm a manager in Quebec, with your orange In Quebec, our Lot, 420 friends.

Speaker 2: 5:04

Maybe too much orange, a little too much orange, but, man, if you like orange sherbet and crazy, it tasted like it literally smells like. You know that orange sherbet your mom would buy you when you were a kid. I'm not a huge fan of it, to be honest. But if you really liked it you'll love it, and I can't deny the fact that the sherbet expression is phenomenal. Yeah, that was good. And then we shredded. We've been shredding lots of jars of sauce, the perma-fried Pistol and Paris, but I don't I think it's through a Napa Knee, ontario grower. I wish I could shout them out. I will think about it, but heavy on like little little gassy kind of thing.

Speaker 2: 5:40

It was really good, a nice kush kind of yeah, it was super yummy, definitely, um, I don't know, man, hard to say too, we don't? We forgot to show to our friend sauce for the carts best carts in the game. Man, dude, are you kidding me? I think it just launched like the grease bucket. I was concerned they were gone and then they were like, there they're the re-release. I understand it is coming. I'm excited to try it. Yeah, that's the best one. The point break was really good. And then what was it after that? Chili Willie, was it Chili Willie? No, no, no, no, it was the Juicy Drip, which was a minty, mintier.

Speaker 2: 6:18

Government Oasis Remembered Government Oasis. Beautiful, delicious, honestly, those carts carts like, if, yeah, people come for them, dude, and there's not really many, uh, that operate in that space like we had those other ones and they were well, they're to the last drop. I find every other rosin cart, at some point in the experience you lose something correct, you know whether you turn, you know, and I feel like with the sauce carts it's really good. Like you dial it in at, like that two points, two volts, to like 2.2, depending on your preference, but like, honestly, you're gonna develop, it's never gonna burn. Yeah, the, the tech is phenomenal and it'll go all the way to the last drop. Yeah, yeah, so shout out to them for that. They are delicious, dude, I will. I will admit that. Um, what else is going on, man? Look at this. All these little delicious treats is it? Is it a gummy on there? Even I forgot that they do gummies, to be honest, that's another thing that they do phenomenally well, which I look forward to talking to them about. Yeah, dude, I can't wait to fucking have the homies on.

Speaker 2: 7:23

Um, no man, it's been fucking crazy. I mean, aside from all that, um, pretty funny day, dude. Um, I was talking to you about that, about like breaking up with customers and having, oh, like, the dealer breakup. Yeah, the dealer breakup. So funny one man. I remember that even like, you know, it's like I'm moving away and it's been really cool getting to know you. But, um, it's like I'm moving away and it's been really cool getting to know you, but it's always heartbreaking. For sure, you get to know people, but I think that's what's cool about our businesses they come and they go. You know, that's true. Yeah, I don't know. And there's like the different, you know, I don't know. Variety of people. That's really nice in the community. Yeah, 100%. I absolutely love you know, I don't know variety of people. That's really nice in the community. Yeah, a hundred percent. I absolutely love that. Um, no man. Um, definitely more shout out. Um, we're gonna hopefully be firing up the next store. Now is the final time it is coming guys.

Speaker 2: 8:19

Yeah, the final, the. We are working on another store. That is a beautiful thing. We are working on another store. That is a beautiful thing. I was also wondering what your thoughts were and we haven't really discussed it yet about this Ontario Crest Initiative. They've rolled it out. It's almost like an Ontario wine. I think they're talking about it's in the new budget for the Ontario government this year and I guess this is their really trying to give us a leg up, so to speak.

Speaker 2: 8:42

I'm not sure if I'm sold on the Crest, to give us a leg up, so to speak. I'm not sure if I'm sold on the crest. They're talking about a universal excise stamp between all provinces. Have you heard about that? No, instead of it being like Ontario, saskatchewan, alberta they're all a little different on the tax stamp, it's going to be one federal stamp, which does make sense, and it will streamline all of these producers having to like track all the different provinces that they're sending all these products to.

Speaker 2: 9:11

That one is the the most um, I guess, step forward for me. Okay, I mean no coverings, apparently it's talked about. Apparently we're going to be able to see in like it's not going to be a big deal anymore. So that's kind of cool. I have to say I mean to not have to hide and big deal anymore. So that's kind of cool. I have to say I mean to not have to hide and the security of it and our staff and all that, so that's cool too. But I'd say number one probably, um, the crest, whatever does that really fucking matter? Sorry, I was going to say it to me.

Speaker 2: 9:38

I thought that was their number one and I was kind of like I guess that's some like kind of national provincial pride thing that really doesn't speak to, I think, people who are buying aid. Yeah, I know, right, I mean, is everybody going to roll it out? Then I understand it's cool, it's like a VQA thing, I suppose, but do people care about VQA? Anyways, I guess it's cool, it's like a VQA thing, I suppose, but do people care about VQA? Anyways? I guess it's my own argument. Yeah, like I get the sentiment, but I'm not sure if I'm understanding the execution or where it's going to take us. Well, that's classic, because the I guess, what do you want to call it Legislature is dictated by people don't really understand. So fair enough, man, I guess. So, yeah, good point, right, like so trying to focus more on the marketing of and you know what, in some ways, the legal market is, uh, has a leg up right like, but let's be honest and otherwise it doesn't so well.

Speaker 2: 10:45

I'm glad that we're able to do everything freely and I'm so glad I don't need to hide and lurk in the shadows as our mushroom selling friends do. I know that you, I don't remember. It's crazy Cause it's been up in the news a lot this week about all the mushroom stores having all the shootings and I'm kind of like I don't know, I've never. I've had some, some close calls and people making maybe made me feel uncomfortable, but nobody's ever shot a gun or pulled a gun on anybody in our store. So, um, I hear maybe it's hell's angels.

Speaker 2: 11:19

I have to say it doesn't happen to other, uh, to media that says that it is something to do with hell's angels apparently flexing on these proprietors in the mushroom space, gray market, cannabis space also, which is pretty interesting to me. Um, there's money there, right, but it makes sense to me, right? You have these. Um, you know, give me the kickback, yeah, some, you know you're in the living in this zone and you're trying to make money and you're taking an opportunity and opening a mushroom store and a legal cannabis store and then all of a sudden Uncle.

Speaker 2: 11:55

Tony comes on his motorcycle and wants his cut, so it makes sense that they're seeing them all pop up everywhere. And then their minds are like, well, we should be making a piece because these guys can't go to the cops, right? So, uh, we don't live in the states, but we have uncle sam, so, whatever, it's the same thing, right, am I wrong? It's a good hypothesis, thought that I was coming, yeah, no, no, that's terrible that there was uh and that's violent crime, crazy in toronto, actually like right by my y, right by your kids, no.

Speaker 2: 12:25

And let me say one thing, so that's's pretty regardless of their native stores or not.

Speaker 2: 12:29

I don't really care on that subject, but there have been a lot of stores I've noticed opening within 150 meters of a school and I'm like we could never dream of opening in that location. So I'm kind of like I thought it was all about protecting the youth and all this stuff. Like there, literally, is a store that opened really close to my son's daycare. I don't care personally, except for the fact that I think it's an oxymoron that of course there's lots of those, but that specifically, is like kind of brutal. It's like, ah, when it's riddled with them, it becomes a joke. Right, right, yeah, anyways, yeah, very frustrating, yeah, but you know it is what it is. We're anyways, yeah, very frustrating, yeah, but you know it is what it is we're saying. I just think that this is what's actually happening.

Speaker 2: 13:12

You know, this is true. Yeah, um summer. Other thing I want to show that hash holes with hash holes and market lots of that's pretty cool. Yeah, I gotta say that it's a step forward. Man, yeah, jelly brands. We got jelly brands and that that one was expensive. I did not smoke one, no, but we sold them pretty quickly, dude, it was a $55 pre-roll plus tax. Yes, that's wild. I think you're tagged at like 60-something bucks. That's crazy. But and then the one above ones are like 30-something. Oh, that's sustainable yeah, not sustainable.

Speaker 2: 13:47

Wow, so well, they all to be hand rolled. New, the different, you know, the lower quality heads, I don't know. Yeah, right, I don't know, maybe not, it's okay, it's still a great product, though I've been phenomenal product, I don't know. I'm just saying it's cool that we're seeing that kind of stuff. Of course, um, shadow rosin heads, new indica and sativa dominant got the hat on. Yeah, true, right, that's right.

Speaker 2: 14:12

A lot of rosin capsules are the best in market. That is not a paid advertisement. If, even if this wasn't sponsored, johnny, I would tell you that this is, yeah, you're always finessing, you finessing, as me, as I've seen you. They're really good. It's a great product. Grab a room to go, take in some rosin heads. It is paid but it's not paid. Does that make sense? Yeah, no, it's funny. Honestly, dude that.

Speaker 2: 14:37

One batch of fucking peanut butter, that would be rocked. Oh yeah. Truffle In the bread combo oh yeah, truffle In the bread combo In the peanut butter and jelly flour. I will give him that that was actually one of the strongest legal flours I've ever smoked. I will give him that. Yes, touched. I wasn't as big of a fan of the jelly. It was still good Truffle, but that's just my honest thing. They were both great, but you know you always got to pick a favorite, exactly Right. Yeah, yeah, no, it's been nice man Spunking lots of weed.

Speaker 2: 15:12

You have been. Yeah, you're back, charlie's back, early's back, charlie's back. I know I can't wait to smoke Out at the dab bar buddy, what going on back there. I know I can't wait to smoke another job. I feel it's just like really cool, happy to be here, happy to be in a different space for the first time ever in higher orbit history and shout out to everybody for listening to higher orbit. Welcome back. We have hugo and jordan and alice. I am so pumped out of these guys in the back of of the cafe, beside our friends in the independent cannabis store of canna culture free delivery favorite store. When you're in the bathers and english area, they have free delivery. Yeah, that's unreal. Just sell accessories to you. Know what I'll do. They're legit Check them out. Run late yeah, delivery's hard too, man. Ah hustle yeah, that's a grind. I would love to chat with these people about it. Yeah, that's like some serious like you gotta dig deep to make delivery happen, you know.

Speaker 2: 16:20

Oh yeah definitely it's brutal, man. Winter is unbelievable. People are relentless.

Speaker 3: 16:25

I never even thought about that relentless yeah, because the orders just go through the roof as well, because no one wants to go out in the winter right, nobody wants to go out in the winter.

Speaker 2: 16:32

And then you have these prima donnas that live in their condos and they want to be like, they want to complain about it. And you're like I gotta go up the 32 floors and all the way down with one elevator. And you're like you get the call from somebody that's really called you and like, dude, I'm waiting for the elevator, I'm waiting for the elevator. Tell them relax, right, charlie? Yes, absolutely no. I think these guys deliver in another way to the ocs and I want to. Absolutely. That's a whole other story. Yeah, right now, delivery is insane. But, uh, boys, absolutely welcome man. Yeah, welcome to the show man.

Speaker 3: 17:08

Honestly, such a pleasure to have you guys I feel like this is why I know I met you. Back to that.

Speaker 2: 17:13

I know I kind of want to change it there, but uh, it's so nice to have like the four month foremost best hash makers and cart makers in my opinion, uh, in the industry on the show. So there you go, man. That's from's from me. Thank you Seriously. Yeah, somebody is a consumer more than anything. So, yeah, man, it's an amazing product you guys put out. What's your story? What's the deal? What's behind Lady Jane Labs? That's where it all started, right? Yeah, do you want to tell us a little bit about that and what the history is there?

Speaker 1: 17:43

yeah, definitely. I mean, it's been a journey. We started, the three co-founders, okay, um, and then basically, um, we all share the same passion. We all, uh, consume cannabis for one reason or another, right, um, and then cannabis, and then kind of changed our lives as well, right, so I basically met Jordan, as he was my bartender, oh damn.

Speaker 3: 18:14

That's cool, yeah. Medical dispensary before legalization yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:19

Damn man, that's crazy. Okay yeah, what year was this? Ooh, do you remember?

Speaker 1: 18:25

Sorry, that's a big question for stoners 2017.

Speaker 2: 18:29

I think that's amazing man you met at Budbenders. What did he sell you? Do you remember I?

Speaker 1: 18:35

would just come and you might know right.

Speaker 2: 18:39

Yeah, just like what's the best weed.

Speaker 3: 18:41

You have Always wanted the best stuff, for sure. I always remember Hugo had the most amount of questions, like when he came in I knew I was getting peppered with questions and it was awesome. I was really excited about it and I was always like I want to answer every single one of them and if I can't, like next time you come in I'll have the answer for you no, you nailed.

Speaker 2: 19:01

You nailed a big question. I feel like in bud tender speak jordan, though but like you have those customers that ask like a million questions that you're not happy to see, and you have the ones that do. We can think of a bunch of my side like I love seeing you and it's so happy chatting with you and it's all through the process, and don't get me wrong, I always make it through those other people, but you know, there's a difference between having that interaction and it being like very transactional and being like, oh my god, just like get over with your questions and like, oh man, all right, this guy's got some legit questions.

Speaker 1: 19:30

I would ask the same ones and it's nice to like guide them through that right 100 yeah, no, so that's that's kind of like when I moved to the city and then then you're a lot of you know with, with people, so I stumbled across Jordan's site and that's how we got together, right, like so that's how Lady Jalen Habs was born. Yeah, I mean hardly. Our partner was as well involved. He has a degree in plant science, so he was a close friend. So we all basically came together.

Speaker 3: 20:07

We all had the same dream to just bring really good quality to the market. We were originally going to be going into doing contract growing with Micro because there was an LP that had a contract out and they were selling LOIs, signing LOIs for companies. What's a LOI stand ItIs for companies. What's LOIs, dan? I just heard people say LOIs, I don't know. All right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 20:31

So we saw that opportunity and then all of a sudden they just dropped off the face of the earth and so we're like all right, we need to pivot. And 2.0 had recently happened and Hugo had a background in doing ROS and I had background in hash and growing and just like genetics, and so it really like was able to pivot. And Hartley was just like phenomenal for the compliance side of things. So that really like created this trifecta for us to to get started. And then from there it's just like been building it out and building the team, and I think that's been like the new thing that we want to like highlight the most is like building the team and getting people who are like-minded and going through that process to really find more hash makers and or at least consumers that understand why they're doing those extra little processes, and so our team really make it worth it for us and really make that product like what it is.

Speaker 2: 21:31

That's so man, yeah, Shout out to Hartley. Man, you guys have definitely brought like a I feel like a new wave and I could shout out other brands that came Like. I feel like Rosin took a little bit of time, especially in the local market, and it's still probably hard for you guys. Man, yeah, Cannabis is tough. It all started with this was when you guys were the most expensive jars in the cupboard, usually right and like you know.

Speaker 1: 21:56

Yeah, but.

Speaker 2: 21:56

I think you justify that, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 21:58

And there's a difference of being expensive and costly and the difference is that expensive, a lot of companies will make high margins, oh, top shelf. And costly. A product is costly when there's a lot of cost behind, of labor, yeah, of course, and then the farmers and everything behind. So I think that's an important thing that these products are costly, are not expensive. Yeah, and of course the taxes you know make them costly. Yeah, very, very Right, especially in that category. Yeah, and of course, the taxes you know make them, you know, costly.

Speaker 2: 22:30

Yeah, very very Right, especially in that category. Yeah, oh, especially.

Speaker 1: 22:32

You pay like one cent per milligram. So if you have a rosin that has 75% THC us as producers just by imagining to make that product, you're paying $7.50. You don't have to make anything, leave a finger or anything. Just imagine to create that product and that would be the tax you're going to end up paying, right.

Speaker 2: 22:55

Well, thank you guys for figuring it out somehow. So I have to say, because it is a really hard, I think, category to live in for that reason, yeah, I mean, everything started for us before russian like.

Speaker 1: 23:07

At least for me, everything started in mexico when I would go to the mountains in oaxaca and get like the best hash from the little towns, little farmers, you know traditional, traditional hash made really like in these hotels. You will book and they'll bring you the secret menu, you know, wow, and basically you get to experience that kind of like bubble hash right, that really bubbles and then part of mexico. Where are you from? I am from the south yucatan and maryland and I lived there and a couple of years and I moved to cancun and in a lot of time the only way to get hash was to go to Oaxaca in the mountains of the centers. It'll take a bus, it'll do the trip and you'll get there the goods right.

Speaker 1: 23:58

So, there will be a beautiful scene, forest, the clouds will go down, a lot of mushrooms, you know, are grown there and and then from there, I believe, every transition into the rosin, after into flower rosin right, okay, flower rosin came after you could make your own kind of medicine, you know, by pressing notes. And then I did that in Montreal a little bit and then when I moved here, as I was saying, I met Jordan early and this opportunity came and we're like let's do something thank God you guys met each other, man, I gotta say man, the legal lanes people to be completely different regarding Ross and anyways like what happens, like that.

Speaker 1: 24:43

I mean just you meant the right people and you take a ride, right yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:47

I mean that from the bottom of right, people, and you take a right right, yeah, man. I mean from the bottom of my heart, man, as purveyors and sellers of legal cannabis. Like man, it's really nice to have some product to stand behind and confidently be like as somebody who likes to smoke raws, and that you can be like this is good yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:02

Yeah, if I take a little time you're like you know, Maybe that next jar is going to be selling it right? Yeah, the consistency, which is always hard to man, and the back jars have been a good, a good change.

Speaker 1: 25:13

not everyone's using them now, but you guys were using them really too, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, definitely, it's been a very short but fast journey for the solventous rosin extract. Very short but fast journey for the solvent as frozen extracts from the hash, the flour rosin, into hash rosin, right made out of dry cannabis, and then into the live rosin that we're currently experiencing. Yeah, and all that has come with a lot of new technologies, a lot of new developments that you'd make the user experience more friendly, more easy, easy to access, more cost effective for us to produce. So it's all basically has happened in the last five, 10 years really.

Speaker 2: 25:56

Definitely, it's becoming way more accessible. I was going to say where, like what provinces, can we pick you up? We obviously know Ontario. It's selling amazingly, and you guys are from the East Coast. We forgot to talk about that. That's where all the country is made, which I always thought was uh beautiful and also kind of funny. Why did you guys decide to set up in, uh, the east coast, jordan? Are you from there?

Speaker 3: 26:17

I'm from the east coast. Okay, there we go. And raised in new brunswick. I spent quite a bit of time in california when I was younger as well, because my brother lives out there, okay, uh. So that kind of gave me a different kind of like west coast influence on what cannabis was from a really young, uh, point in my life. So I'm getting it now that makes sense. I understood that like there was different like scales of quality and and it wasn't just, like you know, the outdoor grows. It were like back in the day, in my hometown at least, and like some of the stuff uh. So it really like laid a good foundation for understanding that damn man.

Speaker 2: 26:54

I have to say, man, what do you guys like? How do you guys pick such amazing flavors and proprietors to work like?

Speaker 1: 26:59

you really banged out some really beautiful like making, like fine wines here, yeah, that was that's been part of making commercially viable I'm bringing this pros to the people is we started after we partner with the mission that were geared for hash, so Jordan basically got a big role in that.

Speaker 3: 27:33

Yeah, I created a giant library that we're still trying to work through Not 100%, because, like a lot of people, when they hear hash specific they think like single strains. I chose a menu that was really diverse and I chose strains that represented terpene profiles that I was after to create a broad menu and I was hoping that I'd find hashers, but through our, through our pheno hunting and a lot of pheno hunting, it's been tough. There's like been full hunts where you just don't find a hasher, or at least a commercially viable one.

Speaker 2: 28:06

You know what I mean, because it's a better web to cast, though now that you say it, I was like okay, yeah, yeah, just get more, if you know, get more flavors, yeah, yeah, and see what correct turns out now that, yeah is um.

Speaker 1: 28:17

It has come now to breeding our own flavors. Yeah, like, like a chili, really.

Speaker 3: 28:23

No, that was one of the ones that, like the frosted fruit cakes, was like one of our really early strains, and that was one of the ones that we found that was like incredible. It was our own pheno, um. So it kind of like took up a nice place in the library and then we uh, did a wilson hunt and then we found the wilson zero and that was very special.

Speaker 2: 28:42

So then I went well, these are so distinctly different, let's do internal cross, and that's where, uh, chili willy came from if you had to say, guys, like I know it's always like you know now, looking back at, were there any early bumps in the road that you can identify? You know you always want to like take one back and change the playbook a little bit um I think, uh, it's think it's been a ride for sure you wouldn't change anything.

Speaker 3: 29:10

I don't think I'd change anything because I wouldn't be here. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2: 29:14

Great answer.

Speaker 1: 29:15

Yeah, I mean taxes for sure. But apart from that, I mean we don't regress, we get behind everything.

Speaker 2: 29:25

I have a good idea about that, but I won't bring it offline. I have a good idea about that.

Speaker 1: 29:30

Yeah, things are changing. Things are changing and definitely, at the end of the day, we don't do this really for that reason. We do it because this is something we loved before legalization and when it had the opportunity to be something we could do legally and we were like, wow, you know, we have this knowledge. We need to put it to good use and try this out. So for us it was.

Speaker 3: 29:58

It was just you know that really, so it was it was really worth going into the legal side of things, even though all of the challenges with compliance uh, hartley and I like did specific courses and stuff to really start wrapping our heads around it. Luckily, he's got a university background to build on that. Um, I did a year of university and it wasn't for me, but I I got, you know, a general understanding of you know, higher level stuff. So you know higher level stuff, so you know it was nice to be able to do that. But we figured it was worth going the legal side because it's going to be here long-term. Yeah, so it's like let's just figure out how to operate here so that when we're here long-term it's just a foundation that we operate under. Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 2: 30:40

Yeah, we've been seeing a few more. I guess brands come out like to be honest and I I think it's obviously great. Uh, yeah, because you guys also have been kind of leading the way since our 100 percent. Yeah, and it's nice to see um is like obviously coming from the background of just being a connoisseur too.

Speaker 1: 31:01

You guys must try all the jars yeah, we get a good opportunity to try a lot of jars during the trips and events and company promotions and and there's a lot of variety in both sides of the industry and um, and I think that that makes the industry really like it's not like really in everywhere you. You meet people in this industry like legal or crazy, like people that like cannabis, like herbs, and that's really what basically binds everything, every conversation right, every relationship. So I think that's definitely something. Cannabis would always bring rent to the party Absolutely dude. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:46

Absolutely. What do you guys consider some of like your early milestones, I guess, along the journey as a company here kind of expanding into Canada? I know you guys have some big announcements Are you launching in a new province?

Speaker 3: 31:58

Yeah, we just got into BC. Oh man, it's like our big big news right now, so we're going to be dropping there at the end of the month. Big big news right now, so we're going to be dropping there at the end of the month, I believe, is when it's going to be like ready to order.

Speaker 1: 32:10

Yeah, so be seeing newfoundland, newfoundland as well yeah, bc, get ready, get ready.

Speaker 2: 32:18

Yabba, dabba doo. I don't love that.

Speaker 3: 32:20

It's gonna make us off on the rock, baby, let's go definitely That'll make us available across the country except for Alberta and Quebec, and the territories as well. I mean through Mendo and other medical channels like Herbal Dispatch and stuff like that we're available in those provinces, but in the actual provincial. Yeah, we're across the board now.

Speaker 2: 32:45

I feel like in Ontario it's proven itself.

Speaker 3: 32:48

That's just the market that we know yeah, that was a milestone for us to get in here, like with grease bucket, our flagship, yeah, I mean I think everyone kind of knows grease bucket the most from these we're gonna have these, hopefully on tuesday or the monday after the new grease bucket cart.

Speaker 2: 33:02

Yeah, oh, they're so good, yeah, and uh, even our delivery guy, dude speaking of, just yeah, phenomenal products, just doing our flat, helping them out.

Speaker 1: 33:13

You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I got a flagship because that the genetic. We were waiting for our license, okay, and we, we were doing like, um, our acn pr, yeah and uh, we were okay, let's pop something while we wait for the license. Oh, that's it.

Speaker 3: 33:32

That's the story. Well, we popped a bunch of stuff and then Hugo was like there's room for like a few more. And I was like, dude, I don't think there's room for a few more, because I was tending the garden. And then he's like come on, I know you, you can do it.

Speaker 3: 33:43

So we actually popped three grease bucket and one of those was this grease bucket. It was like incredible yields, incredible flavor. Um, yeah, it's a pain in the ass to grow because it's ginormous. Um, so, a lot of the farmers that we work with don't love it, but we're really starting to like get it more like managed and also find the growers who really enjoy um jurassic park plants is what what they call it more like managed and also find the growers who really enjoy um jurassic park plants is what what they call it, because like they're like nine foot plant follow us at higher orbit, follow at sauce, come last come.

Speaker 2: 34:15

Yeah, one word grease pocket rosalyn so they won't last.

Speaker 2: 34:19

They won't get them. Dude, we'll get those grease bucket cards. They're gonna be. I haven't even tried it yet, I already know we're back. We are well dabbed. We are well dabbed out from the dab bar. Alan's cheating us up. Hybrid Visions Shout out, alan. Cafe on the Hill Cannon Culture Cafe on the Hill. Cannon Culture. Egg Cafe on the Hill Caniculture Egglings in a Bathroom. Check it out. Don't forget to follow at Higher Orbit, sauce Ross and Labs. Yeah, where can people find you? Actually, I guess on socials you got that fired up, or is it just?

Speaker 1: 34:58

Yeah, we're at Sauce Ross and Labs on IG Nice and we're launching our web page as well, where we're going to have some merchandise swags and a little bit of product information or new launches coming up. So that's coming up probably in the next month or so.

Speaker 3: 35:18

So we want to try to incorporate like having like C of A's available through like QRs and stuff like that for the actual batches that people are getting, so people can get a lot more details.

Speaker 1: 35:28

Yeah, we're trying to incorporate more details now in our new packaging that is coming to Ontario, with more details in basically about the partners, farmers, specifically the farmers pride.

Speaker 2: 35:42

Yes, Would you guys think about doing like a see-through jar, because I guess that's possible now or no?

Speaker 3: 35:49

um, the only thing with that is that, like when the end consumer has it, it oxidizes a lot easier with it, makes it with like the light exposure. So just for like keeping it a really premium product, it doesn't make sense yeah, yeah, gotta go with the uv.

Speaker 2: 36:05

Uv protection that makes sense to me, dude. No, um man, we just went a few dabs so I'm a little sweaty, but we were. We were just talking about, um, finding pheno's man, and honestly it was. It was awesome to hear you guys talk about like just what you're looking for and like what actually washes and what doesn't, what's in your uh bank and what works. I was just thinking that, like how do you guys go about finding or choosing the flavors that do become sauce, rosin labs, and I know sometimes there's some blending involved and we talked about uh kind of hash making you different in the sense where you're talking about terroirs and stuff you know, yeah, it's a mix of both.

Speaker 1: 36:46

and this work we do in-house, where we've been feno hunting and breeding, yeah, under Jordan care and and Jeff, and basically we have another part of the business where farmers sometimes have phenols that are they already hunt or they acquire somehow, or gifted, and basically they offer us to run that because that's a cultivar that they know that it's going to perform well for their business model, for their terroir and they're going to basically be able to have a commercially viable harvest right Crazy. So that's a combination of both and we always basically do the the phenotest and do a wash test right and before we acquire a big quantity, and then we we go for it, right yeah, it has to pass like the flavor kind of test, or we don't buy.

Speaker 3: 37:42

It is another big one. If it's not going to be terpy, if it's not going to be good, then it's yeah, you said wash.

Speaker 2: 37:48

That's like. I'm curious, what does that look like? Like?

Speaker 1: 37:51

uh, the test wash.

Speaker 2: 37:51

Basically, I've never, you know.

Speaker 1: 37:53

I'm just curious as somebody normally when we wash uh commercially, we will do uh during an eight hour shift. We'll do two washes, okay, one in the morning and one after lunch. And um, the osprey, the machine we use to remove the trichlums, we normally put around between 15 kilos. So to do a test, we basically do a small two and a half five kilos Big bus, just to basically get a representation of what that would look like.

Speaker 2: 38:24

What kind of yield you're going to be looking at and like, like okay, and how the heads Are looking, like kind of two and yeah.

Speaker 3: 38:30

I mean the flower actually is how well cared for it was.

Speaker 1: 38:33

Okay, cool I think you want to basically have a presentation of the yields and that would make it commercially viable for us. It has to hear at least three point five percent. Yeah, and currently put a hundred kilos frozen, you get 3.5%. You get 3.5 kilos of hash. Then you put that in a press and you basically get 70% out of that. So you end up with like 2.5 ish kilos and then from there you take retention samples, lab test samples, terpene samples, and then Are you looking for aromas at this stage, you guys?

Speaker 2: 39:11

Yeah that makes it even, I guess, when it first froze and you do right, that makes a difference, even right.

Speaker 1: 39:17

Yeah, so definitely you end up with. That's the importance of the yields and the importance of the test wash basically.

Speaker 2: 39:24

Beautiful. That's amazing, man. Sounds like a cool process. How much would you have to send for testing? I think it's 87.

Speaker 3: 39:33

Well, for testing it's 42 grams or 44 grams, but then we have to have a 25-gram retention sample as well.

Speaker 1: 39:42

Okay, wow, you keep that for two years. In case there's some problems with that, with with the badge, some retesting that needs to be done, yeah, and then after that it goes to to destruction. Um, but yeah, definitely. Uh, you send two grams for terps.

Speaker 3: 39:58

Yep, um, test terms and yeah 42 for the rest, which is like all of your um microbials, all your heavy metals, all your cannabinoids, everything like that yeah, the metals.

Speaker 2: 40:10

I haven't heard that verbiage in a while, sorry. I love it when someone busts up that, I just remember well, we can't remediate it so like.

Speaker 3: 40:17

I mean, we're testing for pesticides and heavy metals before our flower comes in um, because with solventless there's no way to ever get that out of our hash right. If it's there to start, we can't even bring it into the lab.

Speaker 2: 40:30

It's not worth procuring what you're going to do and washing it.

Speaker 1: 40:34

Yeah, definitely. There's a lot of logistics behind, where we work with a lot of farmers that have the ability to basically bring all this flour at the end of the season and we get to transform it after that, right, so it's definitely a combination of it's now sauce basically have become from, of course, when we started. It has become to more like a community of people that work towards doing something during the year towards basically putting these products out in the market.

Speaker 3: 41:10

So that's really something cool yeah, I think we really last year's. Yeah, we've really dialed in with the farmers we work with and and they're they're pinnacle because they they take such good care of their flower. It was awesome. It's fire in, fire out, so if you have poor quality flour, it doesn't matter how well we do our job.

Speaker 2: 41:30

It's just it's not going to be a good end product it's hard for you guys to tell a story when the beginning product isn't. There's no story to be told. I get it. Yeah, man, totally dude. Can you shout any of them out? It's going to be on the back of the bags probably by the time this uh, yeah, there's a robinson.

Speaker 3: 41:44

Can robinson's cannabis in nova scotia, okay, um and weed on in quebec beauty.

Speaker 2: 41:51

So that's another one and then, oh, I know, we don't, we don't, we keep right, yeah, yeah they're fantastic.

Speaker 3: 41:58

Oh man, they take such good care of their flower. They really do, okay. And then the other one in nova scotia that were he's been an OG. He's incredible. He's been working with us for almost from the beginning, but he's a really long time cannabis farmer and he's West Rivers Cannabis in Nova Scotia. Fuck yeah, man, he's the dude.

Speaker 2: 42:18

I love shouting out the farmers, you know, because that's where it all starts right, yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:22

And during these years, basically, we've been working with people like Max Popseed. That did the point break.

Speaker 2: 42:30

My favorite, absolute favorite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you so much for the gift Love it. Someone's going to steal it. Lucky hasn't yet, I haven't. But Hugo gracefully gave us one of the last known jars. You want me to steal it? Yeah, man, I think you should. I think we'll put a date on it or something. Hold on to it for a minute. You're just worried that I'm gonna strut the jar no, it's okay, but um grip it.

Speaker 2: 42:50

Um, definitely, like, obviously all your stuff is great, but you know, if you pick favorites, that was definitely number one and you were mentioning it's just gone and I know it's one of those like folklore things sometimes things die and mother nature runs its course, so to speak. Right, so it is what it is the point.

Speaker 1: 43:05

Frank is gone yeah, definitely, definitely, uh, uh. It's gone, but I mean max is still doing great work and uh, and definitely the fino as well, actually, because it came from his ac and pr let's talk about your new drops.

Speaker 2: 43:19

We have them coming to the store really excited. We haven't talked about it yet. I realized that, like, why not, let's do it? So you have two new rosin skews. Right, I think, two new rosin skews and a new vape skew. Yeah, and the new vape skew which was the grease pocket which you mentioned? Yeah, yeah, and the.

Speaker 3: 43:33

The new rosins are the uh gas pack. Okay, sick, and that's gonna be the purple poison, og, which is like super gassy lime sour in your face. Um, what you smell is what you smoke makes. It translates incredible. Uh. And then for our farmers pride, that's coming from robinson's cannabis. Uh, and that's gonna be bubble gum and that's that old school bubble gum flavor. It's sweet. Yeah, rubber berries, you know kind of the hubba bubba. It's really sweet. Like if you, and if you came up like smoking bubble gum, you're gonna, you're gonna, open that jar up and you're gonna be like, oh my. And if you came up like smoking bubble gum, you're gonna, you're gonna, open that jar up and you're gonna be like, oh my god, thank you finally I'm thinking like that bubble tape, you know the, the pink tape, you know, yeah, yeah, totally, I like rubber turf, so that's good yeah, me too.

Speaker 1: 44:18

Indica is like straight indica with great medicinal effects, and so that's something that yeah, it's the serious seeds, like bubble gum.

Speaker 3: 44:26

So it's like the one that came from indiana and went to the netherlands and then they stabilized it and that's what like it's still available to this day sounds right up my alley.

Speaker 2: 44:35

I look forward to trying to watch you okay and beautiful the farmer.

Speaker 3: 44:38

He knows the guy like personally and so that's why he was like oh, I gotta have this one I love the stories behind it.

Speaker 2: 44:44

you know it's great. Yeah, dude, you got some great stories. Have you guys been seeing so like? I know you're again speaking of community like dApps? We've seen so many drives, some of the best dApps oh yeah, have you been seeing anyone be like okay, yeah, like maybe we should follow your guys' lead Like anyone kind of like thinking about joining the market or are you seeing that at all yet? Oh, like a crossover, yeah, yeah, yeah, because obviously you guys you know friends of friends over to a degree.

Speaker 3: 45:14

Yeah, I mean we always like offer as much help and guidance as we can, because I think everyone deserves to cross over, even though it is you know.

Speaker 2: 45:22

And you're in town for the great Hash Rosen showdown. I started to cut you off. I just thought I tied in because there are some, you know, world market worlds competing and I know you guys did very well last time and this is the finals.

Speaker 3: 45:36

Yes, this is the finals. I came second last time and hopefully will come first.

Speaker 2: 45:41

There you go, man, congrats. Well, that's amazing.

Speaker 3: 45:44

That's something we definitely are not like tailoring, we're putting the commercial products people can buy out there, right, so it's not like, every batch that we enter into competitions is a commercial batch, so it's what people are buying in the stores, it's not a specific. You know I'm going to do my first wash pull and only enter it into this one competition and you know there's only 30 jars available. It's what everyone is equally getting, so that's like we have a lot of pride behind entering that into a competition.

Speaker 2: 46:15

Yeah, respect, that's dope man, I know how much love you guys get for the grease bucket. Like have there been issues like growing that to scale, Like that's for Canada, Like there must be right, Because I feel like we have problems getting our hands on it.

Speaker 1: 46:27

Yeah, it's true sometimes, yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:29

I know, is it your most popular? It is our most popular.

Speaker 3: 46:32

It was our original flagship, so like it's really popular and it's a pain in the ass to grow.

Speaker 2: 46:38

Is it? It is. It makes sense, of course, yeah.

Speaker 3: 46:41

Of course it is.

Speaker 2: 46:41

It's super tall, so if you're not set up for like a really tall plant, that takes a little bit longer to flower you're going to have a tough time with it, obviously kind of growing with your partner that's growing it and they've obviously been able to keep up with you and honestly, I feel like every batch has been just a little different but still fire, for you know what I mean. Like yeah yeah, in its own kind of way you know, very similar to wine.

Speaker 1: 47:02

Every farmer has a terroir that and inputs. You know growing techniques that they put into the cannabis and, like we have experienced the grease bucket growing two different terroirs, yeah, and you can taste the difference, you can smell the difference and it's the same genetics, just different what it's places. Yeah. So, yeah, they're definitely.

Speaker 3: 47:25

Uh, that's pretty cool to see, yeah right, yeah, yeah, we're having to like ramp it up this year because I was like I don't think we're gonna have enough uh, grease bucket when it comes fall to be able to like last us, because I think we're gonna get skinny coming up just because of like bc we're gonna be losing to bc and newfoundland right.

Speaker 1: 47:44

Come on, man, we need to try that flagship yeah, and that's why all our drops are a mix of um indoor when the the season is over, and to greenhouses, um like the ones that have, uh, jordan described and uh, and at the end, you can get really good triangles from both, yeah, and you can get really bad dragons from both yeah, that's how the cookie crumbles I guess, get really bad traction from both.

Speaker 1: 48:14

Yeah, that's how the cookie crumbles, I guess. So, so, definitely, um, as long as you're you're trying to use living uh uh soil, organics and trying to grow these as the same way you will grow your fruits that you put in your body, um, I think that's something that really reflects in terps, um, from anybody that is into roasting, any brand basically, and it's just that is the inputs, right, yeah?

Speaker 2: 48:41

it's funny you say that. I feel like a lot of people when you, when you cross that, like I don't get me wrong, I still smoke every kind of dab, basically, um, except for I don't really smoke diamonds often, but but anyways, besides the point, it's like when you cross that line you don't go back.

Speaker 1: 48:55

Yeah, and now that you mentioned diamonds, it feels a lot cleaner.

Speaker 1: 48:58

Yes, yes, I have a lot of friends, for example, in Mexico. They don't have access to COA product, to this kind of market, and they have hurt their lungs for life and they cannot consume cannabis anymore and it's an irony because that was supposed to be what healed them. Right, having a clean product and having it accessible, I think, is something definitely. We take pride from the point where we put our gloves and we wash them, because gloves have powder of zinc when they made them in the manufacturer. So if you don't wash your gloves and you enter your lab, you have basically zinc powder everywhere. So we wash our gloves, we dry them, then we touch things and we use all the PPEs. Right, and it shows man.

Speaker 2: 49:53

It shows clearly.

Speaker 3: 49:55

You're the dirtiest thing in the lab typically.

Speaker 1: 49:59

You should hide your face. You took a shower in the morning and you don't wear cologne. You don't wear perfumes. You don't put the salt around, right? No nails, it's really like the rosin is the patient and the rooms are basically the operating rooms.

Speaker 2: 50:15

That's a great terminology, you're right. You know that. Yeah, that's a good one, dude. That's a huge benefit and I love that man, I would love to make some hash at one point. Never done it, so it's very cool. Hey, man, we're going to have to go to Nova Scotia. There you go.

Speaker 1: 50:38

We'll have to get there one day to go to nova scotia. The pheno tests we do are made in a small um, a small bubble machine, you know, like yeah, um, so yeah, you can make great hash that win competitions in at home with a small kid. So that's, that's a cool thing and it looks like an air fryer, like it's like a little oven thing.

Speaker 3: 50:51

Yeah, look at frenchie cannoli's like videos. He was like I knew how to make hash. But then I took his course in toronto and I was like okay, there is definitely levels to like this and like the passion and like really understanding the, the farm beginning and everything like that. So anyone who wants to like, just like, dive into hash making and even as a hobby, or just know more about the hash side of it, especially dry hash, he is the king. Like it's incredible who?

Speaker 2: 51:20

uh, how big is your team right now? And, uh, do you want to shout out any anybody on your team? That's like you know, the uh, the big guy off the bench that brings it home yeah, I mean everybody like uh yeah I mean, uh, we have a team, uh, around 10 people and um, and then we have the.

Speaker 1: 51:40

The outside of that team, that is all the farmers we work with, beautiful and um, and then we have, of course, part of the. The other team is things we outsource, like um to hire.

Speaker 2: 51:51

Shout out to hybrid visions there there we go right, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is one of your vendors helps you out on your design.

Speaker 1: 51:59

So it definitely yeah, it's a lot of people on the team yeah, there's a lot.

Speaker 2: 52:03

It's harder to kill everybody, but I'm in the supporting roster and I know you can't do it alone, and you know yeah I mean I want to show my main man, jeff, who helps me in cultivation.

Speaker 3: 52:13

Is he and I in there? So? And he, he really has stepped up to the plate and like amazing ton, yeah, yeah, we're going into like a round of feno hunting without stopping like even a little bit. So it's just like kind of strapping yourself to a rocket to space. I think it feels like for people joining us.

Speaker 2: 52:31

So yeah, right, you guys are just any click, I imagine. I know I I got the program. You know you guys need to do it this way, but to keep it consistent, I need you to be on point, right yeah, yeah, 100 definitely yeah me, it will be like all the team and processing.

Speaker 1: 52:47

That is like jesse, angie, henry, alex, en. Yeah, there we go, these guys really bring and drive.

Speaker 2: 52:56

Behind the yard. Behind the yard With other passion and care.

Speaker 1: 53:01

Nothing that we have basically put in the SOPs will be reflected, right, because you cannot be watching everybody. So, at the end of the day, you have to let and stop micromanaging and empower people to do their job and excel at what they is their passion, right? Yeah, so that's. I think it's something important.

Speaker 3: 53:23

Yeah, I think we've built a really good like internal close knit team because, pretty well, everyone's a consumer, so they understand like, oh, if I mess up this one process, that it really does change that end product from like if we do every process perfect all along, so it makes a difference, yeah, and they respect it a lot more, versus like just being told that that's the way it has to be and they're like okay yeah, yeah, definitely yeah, man, wow, I'm so glad we got to tell your story, man, today, both you guys, j Jordan, hugo, and the story of Salt's House and Labs.

Speaker 2: 53:57

I feel like I wish we could have touched on more, but you know, you always wish you had more time, I know, and I just talk forever about cultivation. That's great. Lastly, what can we look forward to? What are your next years, the next stuff? There must be something you can give us a little tidbit. What's next to look forward to?

Speaker 1: 54:10

Yeah, we're working on some bigger line of edibles. We're working.

Speaker 2: 54:15

Yes, I'm going to eat one of those right now. We need to talk about that, yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:20

We're working on some infused pre-rolls, some donuts, fire Strawberry guava Strawberry guava grown in Quebec by Woodland Botanics Flavor with a high viscous flavor, like a Mexicanucan flower is it nice, a little sour yeah, yeah, lovely guys, good chew on them.

Speaker 3: 54:39

Got a lot of new flavors coming out in the fall, so that's another big one. So kind of like everyone needs to get ready for that and we're gonna try to have as many.

Speaker 2: 54:47

We're having these guys back new skews, don't forget. Um, follow at higher orbit, follow at sauce. Rosin, grab yourself a jar, grab yourself a jar. Grab yourself a jar next time. Or a cart, or these delicious gummies. Yeah, those are the fire. And don't forget, we're going to the Dab Masters. We have a big announcement the Dab Masters are happening. It's going to be the first golfing dab event, I think. More to come soon. Dabberinos, dabberinos, hit it. Brazilian steakhouse Can't wait. Okay, thanks for listening, guys. Thanks for coming. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 3: 55:37

Diagnostic complete. Thank you guys.